# Essential Considerations for Drone-in-a-Box Deployments

- Event: NestGen ’24
- Published: April 3, 2024
- Length: 54:37
- Watch: https://nestgen.org/library/watch/nRVw93c7J6k/

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## About this session

Join us for an enlightening discussion on the essential considerations for deploying drone-in-a-box solutions at scale. In this video, industry experts Juan from UAV LATAM and Rafael from World UAV Federation share their wealth of experience and insights gained from multiple drone-in-a-box deployments. From navigating regulatory challenges to addressing technical complexities, learn how to successfully implement these autonomous solutions for various industrial applications such as security, surveying, and inspections. Discover real-world examples, key challenges, and innovative strategies for ensuring the seamless operation of drone-in-a-box systems.

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## Transcript

**[0:20]** hello and welcome everyone to this another insightful and informative session on essential considerations for drone and a box deployments I'm your host Rahul and with this session our core Focus would be to help you understand in detail about what it takes to deploy a drone in a box solution at scale successfully as dog drone operations gain momentum worldwide for autonomous industrial inspections such as security uh be it's surveying or uh inspections it's very crucial to educate and inform potential adopters of the prerequisites and the confederations they must have in place before deploying such Solutions and who better than uan from UAV Lam and RAF from World UAV Federation columia chapter to speak about this with multiple drone in a box deployments that they have already carried out they have lot of experience with them that would help them in painting a

**[1:21]** detailed picture about how you can carry out a successful drone in a box deployment talking a little bit about Yuan he is at the helm of an Enterprise which has presence in about nine countries in Latin America so UAV Lam is one of the leading drone solution providers in Latin America he has an experience of about 30 years in the IT industry and about 15 years in the Drone industry Rafael with a background of industrial engineering is the founder of artc Colombia UAV Association and also leads the Colombian chapter of world UAV Federation he has also founded irbis SAS which is a drone based consultancy and provides solution design for drone applications with this I would like to draw some housekeeping rules here please drop in your questions in the Q&A tab so that we can take it towards the end of the session this entire session will be recorded for you for later per user so you can

**[2:25]** access it after the next and UAV latam and World UAV Federation they both have their booths so do do make sure to visit them and do not forget to share your favorite moment of this entire session over LinkedIn or Twitter with the hashtag NestGen and lastly before I hand it over to youan I would like to thank our title sponsors DJ Enterprise and our gold sponsor sunflower Labs with this Yan over to you you can share your screen now for the presentation should I start the video now yes yes uh let me let me um do a couple words go ahead Yes actually um go ahead yeah I would like to first of all I would like to to thank you for

**[3:25]** having the opportunity to do this presentation you know where the level is very high being Raphael here with me so he put the bar very high here so I have to uh you know I have to dig into the technology and I have to uh you know do a very good presentation uh you know is I having h on the right but anyway so I would like to share with you this uh small presentation of course you know my people in marketing pushing me very hard I said hey do not make this one a really a hard selling but you know it's it's hard to deal with the marketing people but anyway this is a a short video you know about who we are and um and the kind of operation that we do uh in a humble way we we start in in Peru about 10 years ago and about three years ago we decide to uh start operations in uh several countries in the region and um you know if I can start you will see the in the picture but basically

**[4:30]** I'm s sorry I have a here the presentation so here in the room so I have to lower my My Level here uh anyway so this is the the uh the presentation about UAV latam that we are doing about nine countries on the last three years um I think we can uh you will see we have also rotor uh the helicopters and also we have uh um fixed wind planes that we're able to get up to 40 50 kilometers on one one ride so these are the countries that we operate at this time and uh so that's we like to to give a presentation so my marketing people will be happy so we can go to the next slide please uh basically in our experience we um

**[5:30]** we um decide to focus on three main business units or line of business that they call First the data analytics which is basically you know the the common use about drones you know the volumetric analysis the the level uh so so all all the basic things that we do um and we of that complement the data analytics with uh using uh a very powerful uh cloud system like s esri is a is a very good system so so the customer doesn't need to buy High computers to to play with that information the other one is the defense and security and mainly using the drones for sub vigilance but recently and we were having very good success on the anti-drone systems as you may see here on the on some of the presentation actually especially for inst I can give you one clear example about the

**[6:35]** anti- Drone uh which is also a very applicable for drawing a box is that you know the jails have been built 10 15 years ago with a high walls but they didn't anticipate that it's going to be the drones so we we have in a couple countries that is not only one or two flights per day some some shs there're 20 to 30 flies per day you do Time study you're talking about a thousand close to a thousand flights per day from usually the the the town which is two or three kilometers next to the jail that most of the case not a nice nice neighborhood and then you go there back and forth so so that's something that that is is getting um there and then of course the other one which also play significant role the Drone in a box is the Drone car you know we're going to see what are the challenges but that's that's the three line of business that we are dealing with the next one

**[7:39]** please and you will see here uh and of course before you play this one and I can tell you you know we we have to kiss several frogs until we find a princess so I mean we already we already try two or three and we invest money on this drone in boxes but definitely at least the one that we try it keeps frog there's no princess and um and about a week ago we uh we are testing the one from DGI and doing this advertising to DJI which is our sponsor and which it seems to be very very solid and very good so I think we have a high expectations with that drawing in a box with that one please go ahead this is not that but this one of the early things that we have

**[8:49]** exper this is a neighborhood in Mexico that we tested uh and again you know it was it was a big challenge to do this one I don't necessarily need to mention the uh the manufacturer but it it was quite a challenge go to the next one please okay we're going to to to talk about the data analyst basically uh the autonomous software flights why is important and and also be careful because I know with I talk with my regulat friends and please do not not use the word automatic because that's a bad word that's that's a that's something that some of us maybe we take lightly autonomous and automatic but don't use the word automatic because you're going to get The Regulators very mad maybe they will throw a SP to you so be careful on that one so basically is the data analytic is um we're going to have the

**[9:55]** data collection and we are going to monitoring the the the asset that we would like to to do that one and for this one to do that's very interesting the use of drawing in a box because you're going to have a very automated survey you know you can have the box which is going to be a challenging um related with a preview with a previous speaker because how much you are going to call a drone in a box is going to be BBL or not because you may have a a a pilot an operator next to the drawing in a box but it can be operator from the command center which is 20 kilometers away but but you are going to be by line of sight with the with the people is next to the Drone in a box so that's going to be a challenging there defining if it's BBL or not and and also the good thing is it's going to be uh you you can play day at night so mean

**[10:55]** yeah you you don't need necessarily need to be alert uh the 24 by7 you can use as as much as you need um and then um course I can I can show you one clear example that I hope we're going to get is going to be the largest mining in all Latin America they have one main as they call it in in in Colombia main pain to maor doore they call it in in in Colombia maor doore the big pain is when most of the mines are open pit mines so they have to do explosions you know to uh to to continue uh taking these uh this uh the material that they need to process the problem when they uh when did this one is there are people around you know in the mining you may have 20,000 people working around so we're going to do is with a drum in a box next to not not so close but

**[11:58]** next to this one we're going to uh start from the command center a flight five minutes before the exposion and then we're going to review and also interesting thing because that's where really the machine learning and the artificial intelligence pray play plays a role because it need to be in real time we need to monitor that nobody's around because this doesn't doesn't make any sense to do the the the the artificial over a n um scene you going to be real time so that's that's one of the significant use of the drwing in a box we can continue with the next one we may go to the next slide yeah no sorry to the previous one the previous one

**[13:01]** yeah okay next one yeah again I mention a little bit about the defense and security of course it's very easy to understand that you can do uh service but here is what I'm saying and you can please uh play the the video the next video you will see that that's what I was saying about the how do they use the Dr in a boat in a [Music] Min I think there is sound on the video but I don't know

**[14:28]** for C yeah many people don't like many people to work around so yeah SEC is very

**[15:40]** she was trying to be objective of my people's marketing put the name so sorry for that okay go to the next one please okay and now the the the main thing but is you know I have to be real realistic this is something for the future so if someone plan to have make money on the 2024 or 2025 with cargo I think it's going to be a big shot you know because the the companies are looking this one to be the first kit on the Block you know you know because you are not going to make money delivering pizzas and and a b KS mean you are going to Del make money of course there is there's some Niche for instance when you deliver medical materials that will be some opportunities but definitely um delivering you know this pizza this kind of things and also as you can see here we

**[16:40]** are talking about the middle M so we are not going to go through the last mile neither to the first mile you know usually we go the middle mile go from mile two to the mile 9 in a 10 in a 10 mile so I think again this is drawing in a box which is as you can see we are talking about drawing in a box uh release one but definitely it's going to be released actually yesterday this is for the people of the DJI hopefully they will listen this one I as the question to my people can a drone in a box going go from box a the same drone to box a box B and box C they were not able to answer that that thing but but anyways so I think the this drum in a box present a significant opportunity to all the one that we play here so and again as I mentioned you know we already K several frogs no luck except we have a big expectations on the DJI

**[17:45]** um uh draw in a box and also of course the DJI uh cargo drw that's something that everybody's talking now the Drone cargo they supposed to release maybe in 45 days and we already place an order or trying to place an order but I think that's that's a big opportunity to go to our next one please and we are working with the Brazilian for all our cargo things at this time this is a very significant company in Brazil who are doing deliveries you you know about 100 between 50 and 100 flights a day in in Brazil at this time and we represent them outside Brazil they work in Brazil but we represent them outside Brazil and for instance one of the main challenges is you don't want to

**[18:47]** place Pilots to do the Drone cargo operations because Pilots are so expensive you need to have operators maybe a nurse maybe a paramedic something that can check there you may not have a big experience on drones but they can check because nobody around maybe they can change the batteries and that's what you need you don't need this with with a pilot for fouryear degree you know to operate on the remote on the jungle to do this operations you can see here this is a this is a a pilot that we did that in in in sou Pablo for six kilometers I think that's that's pretty much what I have to present today again another advertising for the company uh but definitely uh we are we are testing uh

**[19:48]** several scenarios on all these nine countries some for instance the challenge is there's no no unique rule for instance as you may know neither in Costa Rica neither in um in Panama mining is is permitted but in Chile and I think Colombia to mining is a significant part of the economy so it depends on where you are to know where you are going to apply the technology of this Dr and again thank you very much for allowing me to to present this one I'll be very interesting to hear what Rafael had to say too thank you very much bro thank you so much Yan for sharing your insights about the industry and about how you will be L is deploying AI based solution AI based drone in the Box solution for mining use case now Rafael hearing it from you I'm sharing your presentation here so I look forward to what you have to share I guess that is the next slide and thank you very

**[20:52]** much Juan big regards to you nice seeing you again uh from for this presentation we have two two hats one is from the world on man systems uh Federation where we help companies to become acquainted with the market and the other hat is IRB which is a company that designs Solutions and what we do is we put together a drone solution within an IT environment please move to the for next one so suddenly suddenly we found ourself with a project to develop a Docker station given the many opportunities for remote infrastructure monitoring in roads oil pipe mining as one said before and many others so the distinguished features that we went for is each dock station can carry two drones

**[21:56]** so in fact you can have one drone doing a program flight this program flight sees an anomaly and the second drone can check the anomaly while the first drone continues with its regular flight second thing it's we did battery swapping battery swapping it's right now something that I would very much debate on because it depends on the reliability of the robot that you built inside so that you don't have to go very often to the location to perform mainst that is one key issue and the third thing that was very important was software analytics we needed that the software software had to be an assistant to the remote operator please the next so with those three uh

**[22:57]** with this product we went to uh many customers and one customer decided and this is right as they said we will take the risk what was the risk this all started 28 months ago when regulation was not that clear and imagine this we were still using the mavic Enterprise Advanced drones right very nice product but between that product and the current one the differences are huge so we came up with a project we designed a project for an oil pipe please the next so this oil pipe had a very critical area you can see in the first picture on the left of the screen the full stain of the oil pipe on the Eastern side of the mountain range in Columbia and and then on the second image you can see a small

**[24:01]** segment of that a oil pipe that's the segment where they have the most incidents many of those incidents are people trying to milk the oil pipe uh well any that you can imagine and the oil pipe runs parallel to a mountain range that you can see in the next image over there so the thing is you have all of the winds and the weather coming from the East Plains hidden it hits the mountain range and becomes like a turmoil over there so weather was a challenge next big challenge was you can see right here this is an airstrip that we use as a base you can see the average Treet toop is about 18 meters that became an issue later on and then you can see over here all of the challenges the logistics challenges that we had to prepare so that we can actually do the

**[25:05]** deployment please next so we did many designs for the location we did many considerations considering weather and uh how can I say FAA because we do have a lot of and you can see right here from the design we knew we had to separate the communications antennas from the ducking stations so that we could go over the treetop when trying to perform flights three or four kilometers from East one of the ducking stations we had to do wind screens these wind screens became critical because if not when the Drone was trying to land and a wind hit it it would try to go up again and recover and try to do the landing again and that process at a given time when we first started this image that

**[26:07]** you he see on the on the right took up to 15 to 20% of the battery so we were reducing a lot of the battery used for flight range and the next is that we needed our first approach on the design was to connect to the oil pipe communication system that turned out to be a big challenge please next the operation was splited three different segments the very first thing that we did is we went to the nearest control airport this right the one on the first left hand that is an airport called jopal and we check with the airport all of the traffic that they regularly manage we check with them their frequencies and we agreed a program so that we could let them know whenever we were flying especially

**[27:10]** because even though there's no aircraft traffic over here there's helicopter traffic for this oil uh company and for others so helicopters do fly in the same airspace as drones do very low to very close to the ground so we had to prevent that from the very beginning the next thing that we did is we took you can see in the middle picture the big strip of the oil P that we were going to monitor and we split it in three blocks the three blocks that you can see in the three images below and something that was one of the best Lessons Learned weather stations because at a given time when you're having a remote pilot even though you have a camera at the station and you can check the surrounding you cannot tell the cloud coverage two kilometers away or three kilometers away so weather coverage became a big big issue even though

**[28:16]** at the beginning we thought of a weather station at each place where the dockings were going to be placed please next so we went deployed everything and we had the control command and control room now think of this we have three ducking stations separated 30 kilometers from the first to the last and the control room is here in bota it's 294 kilometers away right our very first approach you remember what I just said was to connect through the oil pipe connection and look what happened every time the guys from the oil pipe the it guys went to perform an update on their firewalls or an update on their um cyber security systems we got

**[29:20]** disconnected so we were doing a flight suddenly disconnected what's going on well there's always the failover procedures in the middle but it turned out so complicated that we became the bad guys for the IT people in the oil pipe the solution we actually ended up doing an independent connection we use GSM in one part hu Network in another and actually we in the most complicated location we actually ended up using starlink for connectivity and once we had a separate connection different from the oil pipe Network the consistency of our connectivity was completely reliable the one thing that took us a little time we had to fix the uh latency for the video

**[30:20]** because the oil pipe network is fiber optics great but the ones that we were using Wireless were not so latency went from this to this so we had to adjust Telemetry and we had to just the video fit so that it could sustain the latency without generating any risk at the end location so at the commander control room we plan every flight this red um lines that you see are program flight program flight was Associated to a flight Corridor those flight Corridor we had to verify that didn't run over any school any electric power station any of those other things to clear the way and we did a risk assessment for all of those then you can see here what became the most important tool video

**[31:22]** analytics so that we could detect a person we could detect a motorcycle we could detect a vehicle so the way the whole operation was established is the Drone operator at the command control center was trained on drone operations so he could easily understand and interpret what he was seeing the protocols were established but the operator could at any given time intervene and take over manually on the flight if he see any alarm like you can see on the right side on the right side you see a screen that was looking at the ground the system saw something that did not match and perform an alarm that's the white square boo that you see over there and then the operator did a close in to that location so the operator actually had to be trained as if he were a

**[32:29]** drone operator flying with the control on hand next please to put together all of this the key issue was the operations man now the two images that you see on the left side please believe me is no joke that is the white board where we set with the oil pipe operating people maintenance infrastructure and security and Drew all of the conditions for the operation so we went from a whiteboard drawing many drawings in fact to the document that you see in the middle which is the operations manual that document includes who authorizes a flight who can request a flight who is the response executive at an

**[33:32]** emergency who does the security procedure to actually start the flight I mean checking that the operator is on site that the connectivity is right that weather is right and all of that and with all of that we went to civil aviation so what you see in the middle it's our registration the registration with it in civil aviation for the whole operation and what you see in the lines in the bottom is civil aviation in Colombia does have a registration sheet uh spreadsheet that's that there's a line over there that says actually it has my name on it where we were authorized and registered for the operation that took us almost a month to get and so back and forth fixing what the operations manual included and some adjustments one of the key issues on the manual afterwards was

**[34:37]** where was the information going to be stored and what was the security for the information so we actually went for something called an hyper converge data infrastructure that allows you to do the storage as a service and what you can do is excuse me is software defined storage so that you can actually assign data fields for each flight because this is different than a video solution where you have a constant strip we were having Clips all the time so all of the data management was different in fact it actually resembled more a data Center approach than anything else and then the very last document what you can see there with the title blue AAS was the service level

**[35:38]** agreement the service level agreement had two key issues that were peak in all of the operations the very first one is we committed ourself after a many discussions six hours operating per day six hour now remember we were using mavic Enterprise drones that gave us 20 minutes that meant that we had three docking stations two drones each it was 18 flights a day that meant 18 cycles for the batteries a day and that became the critical issue for programming The Maintenance and Service visits to each one of the locations and that was one one one big challenge because two of the locations we actually needed to program a helicopter flight to reach it so we

**[36:38]** actually had to book the program helicopter flights that the oil pipe had in order to do those maintenance and services now the other thing that the service level agreement said is well what happens on events first event rain weather conditions second event and it did it did happen we had two bird attacks on the drones and the drones were lost so the service level agreement had an instance where we had a certain time to replace those drones we had two weeks to replace each drone that was fine then we found something very very particular remember that I mentioned something something about the weather stations well we could actually be 2 kilometers away and suddenly we had rain so what we end up doing is a joint effort with the customer with the oil pipe

**[37:41]** to install weather stations link via GSM or aora network so that we had precise off the ground weather information before each flight and we stole those stations 2 kilomet 2.5 kilm away and that was one of the main main lessons from this whole project please go ahead R what were some of the surprises some of the surprises out here well some interesting ones the very first this one over here in order to install any cable at any of the locations where we were going to be Lo place that all of these connections were not simple connections but graded for oil industry so each connection each pipe everything so a little cable to get 110 volts for to power the docking station had to get a permit a revision a document because it

**[38:44]** does affect their security rate second even though we had a very good power Electrical uh configuration look look at this we had little bugs that actually caused full boards to be lost how exactly look is the kind of things that you don't really imagine but it did happen look at the image here on the with the red background a bug actually got in there in that cable connection and caus a malfunction on the right upper hand there's a there's a repeated image for a reason there was one night where we had 18 cm continuous rain and what we thought originally was to place the docking stations

**[39:48]** over wheels that were 12 CM so the solution was in each location we you know we went to find a solution for this and it came from data center Solutions because data centers are always over a false floor that is over the regular uh building floor whatever and it does have the proper supports so that it could hold a 128 docking station on top but still allow the water the water to go through and flow under without risking without causing any risk to the dark station look at the nice little box that we had over there on the left side screen and we have something quite interesting at at dawn I don't know why the

**[40:48]** sun energy the this reflectyourworld Connection in flights during those hours why exactly we could never really find out but we learned to test those time frames when we went to flight before doing the program flights because this kind of surprises actually did happen so we ended installing all of our docking stations with an access control system biometric Network connected so that we could remotely supervise it four video cameras a post for the Drone communication antenna a ups for two day operations a dual network connectivity system so that we could go Network

**[41:49]** to a RJ 45 connection ethernet Fiverr or we could go satellite if needed and the one L thing over here is that we learned to do a uh an additional flight a landing guide which is the four blocks that you see over here the three blocks that you see over here because we did find that sometimes the Drone was not smart enough to actually find one of the locations but if it had three it could approach easier and at end select the right one why exactly is that that was a long discussion with the DJI uh SDK team and I think they learned a little bit of that about that situation that we encountered please go to the last the last is just an invitation uh Colombia is a

**[42:52]** country with about 8,000 kilometers critical infrastructure power 5,000 oil pipes many Natural Parks some U very remote roads so the invitation is for any company with a nice and proven solution to come and see the market because there are some very nice opportunity one final comment from my side I completely share what Juan said we never use the autonomous automatic work never all of our operations are remotely assisted or remotely monitored if we had said that this is autonomous we have never never never gone through the very first uh step in civil aviation because the word autonomous is

**[43:55]** still very very frightening for authorities thank you very much one very last comment uh UAB latam and Inter are part of the Colombia chapter uh World UAB Federation and actually interb and UAB latan are now joining experiences for future projects so in case you wonder why we are all together is because we we are really working on teaming up for future effort very much it's an honor for us to have you with us Rafael too we are an honor for us for that one too just a quick question Rafael quick question Rafa is uh is this one with a DJI in a box what kind of a drone is the one technology that you use if I may no this one is called H the best

**[44:57]** B and then B SD which is drone Battery Exchange system and it was designed by a a conglomerate in Cali in Colombia called parasoft I see Parov the designer of the docking station this docking station uses us it use the DJI mavic Enterprise and it's now being redesigned to use the mavic 3 in all of its versions good good thank you thank you all right gentlemen thank you so much for your time now we'll move on to some of the questions which the audience has so again Rafael thank you so much for sharing insights about the real challenges the that you faced during the deployment and what were the measures you took to solve those and make the deployment successful and thank you so much y Yuan for painting the entire picture of how the industries moving ahead and adopting the Drone in a box solution

**[46:00]** uh the question which I have is now for youan uh so the audience wants to know uh in Latin America specifically what are some of the key challenges that one must be aware of before deploying the solutions and what are the measures that they can take to have this solution share some the m challenging is as I mentioned the regulation that's the challenging number one and the number two is revolation and then number three is revolation so so I mean so that's that's a very significant part and um because we we need to realize we are the little brother on the aviation so most of the people who who who direct these civilian organizations are people who been formed on the regular Aviation people who knows very well about Aviation and some of us we are not an

**[47:06]** expert on Aviation we are more on the business side than the aviation so it happen you know so we need to find a middle ground uh of course understanding the the technical part but we are a business people we are not necessarily the the flight is part of the operation but it's not that end like it could be on Civ in general aviation or commercial Aviation so I think that's the main challenging that from my point of view face the Drone industry in general and this specific technology in particular understood another question to you Rafael how many drones did you have deployed over the 30 kilome kilometer distance that you mentioned about and what how did you program to power each of these drones on the basis of the missions that were carried out can you throw some light on that

**[48:10]** operation yeah Rafael you on mute right now sure sorry the operation was ass SCI that we had three docking stations each docking station had two drones so each drone had a 5 kilometer coverage over on each side so for each one of the docking stations we program flights on their radios of operations the docking station had a a small processing unit that stored the flight programs so even if disconnected a flight that was scheduled or a flight that was random could take place and it was completely controlled then the video feed was stored at the base and if it was online the base did the connection supervision to the command control center if there was

**[49:12]** any connection loss the the hyper Converse concept allowed us to do something called Network replenishment meaning that we could then when the connection was restored do the network combination so that all of the logs the flight and the video feeds were sent and organized at the command and control center uh properly so if you add five five we did a 30 kilometer long coverage area in this case all right right understood that's really great to know I see that Yan is disconnected for some reason there might be an internet issue maybe maybe let us wait for another couple of couple of minutes till he joins U just before we end what

**[50:12]** question which I had and which a lot of people had in mind was in like since past three to four years the Drone in a box solution industry has been growing at a tremendous pace and we are at that stage now that the operations are now being scaled to multiple docks so for 2024 what do you foresee happening what what do you think people should keep in mind and system integrators should keep in mind before proceeding ahead with the deployments look you you you you just reminded me of a very important a very very important argument over here when we started this project it was Meet 2021 we actually did flight operation over 22 fine and after June July 2023 we started having a lot of problems because we could not find spare batteries for the mavic Enterprise advance so one of the key issues here it's

**[51:16]** the lifetime of the products if you see AEL you see DJI their products now have a lifespan that is getting shorter shorter so I cannot today I cannot plan a threeyear service operation with current drones because I cannot be certain that 18 months from now the M3 is going to be still available so that is one probably from my view the most challenging sub uh uh issue to check Che out and that's where some of the docking station solutions that are the dock and the Drone may have an advantage because then Dock and drone are supported by the same manufacturer but at the same time that

**[52:17]** becomes a disadvantage because then you're tied to one supplier so it's a gamble where you going to go one way or the other and you can just toast a coin and and go after but but but to me the lifespan of the products today is the biggest challenge because it's getting shorter than two years understood Rafa that's something which is greatly pointed out and yes the future for drone in a box adoption is at a rise at this moment and with a lot of deployment is being proven now at this stage we have multiple Hardware vendors multiple OEM who have docking stations which are capable for scale deployment so the future is really bright for these kind of solutions so yes let's hope for the best and let's work for the best that is it from my end Rafael so thank you so much

**[53:19]** everyone for joining in and and all of you thank you very much I want to make one quick note sure most most of the countries most of the countries are still in the earli stages of 5G Network deployments 5G is going to be a great enabler for drone docking stations operations it's going to be great but even better than 5G is the 5G private networks when a customer already operates a 5G private networks is the ideal scenario for ducking station operations it's wonderful it's great so as you said it's a bright future I do believe opportunities are going to rise we will be needing professional operators to do this but keep in mind it's not just as one said before it's not just the aerial part it's all of the

**[54:19]** it part and you need to combine both very well and that is the big big Challenge and that's where you can find a very nice market for a specialized and very conscious companies in this sector thank you very much