# Automated Powerline Inspections with IDIPLOYER Nexus Dock - Event: NestGen ’24 - Published: April 7, 2024 - Length: 38:50 - Watch: https://nestgen.org/library/watch/_fU3V7T4X7U/ > The transcript of a recorded NestGen session, for reading or for use with an AI tool. It comes from the video's > captions; automatic captions can mishear names and terms. ## About this session Gain valuable insights into automated powerline inspections with IDI. Explore the challenges and solutions discussed by industry leaders, including operational safety, regulatory compliance, and technological advancements. Discover how docking stations changing drone deployment, enabling scalable and reliable data collection. Join the conversation on the future of drone automation and its impact on various industries. Dive deep into precision landing technology, data analytics, and operational best practices. To know more, visit: ===== Subscribe to FlytBase YouTube - Follow Us On - LinkedIn - Facebook - Twitter - Instagram - ## Transcript **[0:20]** hello guys hello everyone welcome to another inviting session of n gen 24 I'm AR product designer at FlytBase and I'm delighted to welcome you all to this session how are you finding the session so far please let us know in the chat it'll definitely help us curate the sessions better in the upcoming Edition so the wonderful audience please tell us where you guys are joining us from we would really like to know what parts of the world we are reaching out to okay we got somebody from Southern California France Barcelona that's great China okay so we got quite the diverse audience that's exactly what we were looking for okay so coming to this session's topic are you guys excited to dive deep into automated Powerline inspections for with IDI and Nexus dog I bet you are so let's **[1:21]** welcome our speakers from IDI and Geo airspace uh is my audio audible to everybody yes yes okay that's great so we might have to wait for our next speaker to turn up but until then uh let's talk about our first speaker so our first speaker is the CEO and founder of I deployer with an experience of over five years in the UAV industry he started off as a remote drone pilot quickly moving up the ladder to build a large client portfolio by performing aial service and inspection across the construction and Telecom industry it was this experience that led him to Pivot towards establishing a business in drone automation give a warm welcome to Peter Campbell from **[2:23]** IDI thank you so much for the introduction and welcome everybody thank you for for joining um really kind introduction there um and and as our Peter said we we've kind of been in the Drone industry for five years well six years now um three of which are have been in the Drone automation industry and that Journey has always been with FlytBase um integrating into our systems uh We've deployed uh globally um from security inspection all the way to surveys um and you know we are we are constantly um advancing our technology reged we we can't do that without um the correct software and the Partnerships and the collaboration from the industry um so it's it's the events like Nest gem which really bring this all together and enable us as the manufacturers and the hardware providers to to provide solutions to Industry problems right yes perfectly explained uh I'd like to in introduce our **[3:25]** second guest as well yes he's right there on time so I was just about to your focus thank you all and apologies I'm late I a three hour delay getting there so but um yes my name is Fergus foil and I'm CEO of Geo airspace we're an irish-based um geospatial data technology company just based outside Dublin in Ireland and our kind of primary focus is on critical infrastructure so we're involved in Road rail power line uh Wind Farm solar farm those type of projects which obviously lend themselves really well to um drone technology so over the past number of years we've been working with Peter and and ioer and yourselves and FlytBase developing solutions for from an operational point of view how we actually integrate these docs in our use application which is power lines specifically right yes thank you for that Fergus so before I let uh Fergus and Peter take over I'd like to share some ground housekeeping rules so please type your **[4:29]** questions in the Q&A type of the session and it'll be answered at the end of the presentation the session is getting recorded and will be published soon we also have idea and GE airspace Booth set up in the Expo section so please do make sure you visit it and during the networking and Booth visit slots you can also find some of the members online there finally please remember to capture your favorite moments of the session and uh do post it on LinkedIn and let us know how everything is for you and last but not the least we we like to thank our title sponsors DJI Enterprise and our goal sponsor sunflower Labs with that over to you Peter and focus fantastic thank you very much we'll um skip the intro page because we've we've done that on yours um so we'll go we'll dive straight in and first of all I just want to kind of give you a picture of of what we're doing as idoy and the Drone in the box systems um you know we're soon to be moving over to some new branding which **[5:29]** is ID doc um so the Nexus branding the Nexus plus all of these sort of um wordings that you see and familiar with of our systems and mov into IDI doc um so you know watch out for that brand change over um but we're still a great team and um still great Partnerships that we have across the globe um now what we're focused on is delivering fully autonomous Solutions um that are scalable um through the cloud solutions that we have with FlytBase and some of our data processing partn and G Aerospace um and then the reliability of our systems I think a lot of the focus on the NestGen event is about now people are doing poc's or coming to the end of poc's um how do we ensure that these systems are reliable when we when we scale um and a and a really key part of the last 12 months has been about reliability of our systems from a Precision Landing point of view but also um from the hardware how do we make these Hardware Solutions reliable for the long term so if they're in the **[6:31]** same place for 12 18 24 months um how reliable own systems and how accessible are they and and maintainable um and all of these these developments we've been doing have enabled us to provide really simple uh system so very low maintenance very low cost in terms of running um you know just to give you an idea we can get these systems running at 3.5 watts in idle mode um so we're not heavy on on on um on energy so we can be green at the same time as deploying multiple scalable systems um and with the work we've been doing the last 12 months um making these systems as affordable as we possibly can not only to compete with the market but also to make sure that you can scale um these systems up U when your poc's come to an end um so that's kind of really brief introduction to what we're we're doing I'll I'll hand over to to Fergus thanks Peter yes and I I suppose I um introduced us **[7:33]** a little bit but just a bit of background about the company so essentially we're a geospatial data technology company and what that means is we collect process and analyze geospatial data so we we look at it from a data stack point of view so we collect satellite data aircraft data UAV terrestrial so that full sort of data stack and then we perform Advanced data analytics and then that data is then presented to our clients through the cloud platform we have um which has been Advanced or further Advanced now with the with the addition of dock stations but I'll talk more about that shortly so I suppose we have aircraft drones and multiple types of drones but we're we're over the past um couple of years we've started to move towards uh full automation or building a use case around our customers needs which is in this case power line so uh we have a um a large commercial contract for the next five years with utility company in Ireland and Performing uh Power Line inspections using **[8:37]** traditional drones so your typical um m30s uh mavic 3s with uh phase one cameras and P1 cameras and a whole host lar sensors all the kind of usual um drones and techn sensors we uh use we use that currently with pilots in the field so that's really challenging and the advancement of the docking station um has opened up new opportunities for us of if we just go to the next slide I can show a little so I suppose this specific end use case that we're looking at is to deploy docking stations strategically located across a powerline network and what that means is we'll put docking stations we have a proof of concept at the moment that we're running uh over this year where we have multiple docking stations at a trial site so the the line the power line and substation and we'll deploy the docking station along with um automated flight plans and we'll collect data like we do today so this first phase is um at a test site and you can see the Drone um there that's the I **[9:40]** deployer dock with a mavic 3 on board um so that's ongoing this year and then NE well hopefully um next year we'll move to a larger scale project across the Irish Network and then again uh once that's appr once that is developed we move to phase three which is sort of european-wide deployment across um Powerline Networks I guess our our customer in this case um is espb which is the kind of um utility company in Ireland the largest one and they're really Keen to see this advancement because they've obviously seen the the change over time where once it was a line walk where you had their teams out walking the line then that moved to heli inspections then it moved to sort of manual drone operations where the pilots in the field controlling the Drone with his sticks or he he or she and then that's moved to automation where the pilot go still goes to the field but they uh collect the imagery and the inspect inspect the assets using automated flight plans so um that's the kind of stage a lot of um operators are at the moment so they're still flying with pilots on site but **[10:43]** they're using automated missions to collect the data so there's not a huge amount of human interaction other than from a regular point of view having Pilots there but the next phase is um obviously BV loss which is the ongoing but the next pH is to remove um the pilots from the field and that's what this is all about I suppose there's a whole host of reasons why power lines are really um an ideal end use for this technology there supportive regulations and I mean that in the case in the sense that across Europe obviously it's harmonized and standardized now um the UK is well aligned with that and I know um us and Asia and other jurisdictions are in the same state but essentially for power lines you look at them from the point of view of atypical airspace so they're um low risk from an airspace air risk point of view they're low altitude operations very close proximity to the asset um so they're considered and you'll see re this week actually the CA and the UK published guidance on on how you define a typical airspace or consultation sorry how you define a **[11:44]** typical airspace traditionally that's um power lines was the typical example but that's ad Advanced or evolving towards um any object above the ground or long range um linear corridors rail corridors power line corridors uh Road corridors that type of environment so there's a whole host of reasons why this is a good use case um data quality obviously automating your collection so removing that uh person that's controlling the sticks um is obviously that's proven and that's that's been done before docking stations obviously now we're with docking stations um that's the advanced technology that that they bring to the table they allow us to remove the human from the field obviously a huge cost saving it's expensive at the moment obviously with proof of concept um because you still have to have pilots on site so you're not fully remote at this point um and from a safety point of view when you do get to the point where there is no longer pilots in the field that's a huge advantage to um obviously the operations team but also the utility companies who **[12:44]** aren't no longer worried about um potential accidents that might occur in the field with humans controlling these drones and I know um Peter you had some comments around security and um those points there the restraining points yeah absolutely it's a kind of really familiar um or an often asked question when we we talk to clients who want to deploy and scale these Solutions um is like we're going to have these docking stations in multiple locations which um poses a a security risk on point that people can access the systems or tamper with them um so from Hardware point of view we've got um various devices within the systems that we know when somebody's tampered with them um so we can get eyes on or we can get some alerting um to user interface which which is your your dashboard which provides you with all your docking stations the fleet managing the systems maintenance cycles that sort of thing but also triggering alerts if systems are faulty or if systems are in need of Maintenance or being tampered with um and again we're also developing um and have **[13:49]** develop systems or hardware that can attach the the docking stations physically to a building or to the ground um and providing also um external networking um so cameras CCTV systems that you can hook into your user interface and always have um visual um eyes onto on the systems and then be loss always comes up um it's a very familiar question and featured a lot during this n gen event um now we are starting to see success um across multiple manufacturers and and docking station solution providers um but also we're now experiencing um approvals where we have be loss approvals across Germany um some other areas in the EU be loss wavers across the US um and The Regulators as Fergus said are now starting to um you know look at ways to regulate this lower airspace um and part of this is going to be not just what the Regulators are doing but how will we as Hardware manufacturers um mitigating risk um **[14:54]** so we're developing um prop inspection software um so so we'll have cameras that have have um um visuals of the battery the propellers the motors um and then some AI layered on top to detect if there's fractured in Motors fractures in propellers heat spots on propellers and Motors that sort of thing um and all of these kind of features will Aid um regulatory approval um in the future um and again all when when we when we focus on them two things then scalability and the capital costs all start to to align and that's what it's about it's aligning all of the dots to make sure that um we can make these systems and this technology as scalable as possible super thanks Peter um and I suppose this is just to the audience to get an understanding of what stage well those of you that are carrying out Powerline operations what sort of stage of operational um operations are you at is it line of sight fly manually is it line of sight with **[15:58]** Auto automation or is it um BV loss with pilots on site or are people at the stage now where um BV loss you're deploying drones BV loss without pilots on site I guess that's what we're talking about today so it's just I guess if anyone in the audience wants to can answer that um it'd be useful information just to hear what sort of stages people are at um is there any results from the poll up or what's that Peter sorry yes uh the poll is live right now so the audience can vote for their answers and then later on we can discuss if we would like to discuss the most voted answer or what their opinions were about the questions and what not okay should we come back to the poll when we get some results and yes we'll come back to the end of it perfect yeah and I suppose I alluded to this earlier the challenge when you carry out power line inspections at scale so by scale I mean Nationwide so it's really difficult to get um a team of operators in the field to **[16:59]** plan all those missions um you have multiple operators multiple drones they're all dispersed geographically so there's huge kind of logistical challenges in carrying out power line inspections today they're human Centric human Centric and Hyper localized by that I mean there's one pilot um operating a drone line asight typically obviously moving towards BB loss but there's still when there's a human in that sort of field part of the equation um it is more complicated complicated and cumbersome there's one pilot to one Dr that's obviously not it's inefficient I suppose is is one way of putting it it can be a lot more efficient but it's around getting it's about getting around the regulatory challenges to to do that um it's obviously difficult dangerous timec consuming and costly like a lot of drone operations they've replace that sort of human work but it's still you still have to put people in the field around these dangerous assets so there's always challenges from a safety point of view to ensure that all the pilots are safe and there's nothing um that could put them at risk and obviously obiously live power lines is a **[18:00]** dangerous environment um there's limited live geospatial coordination amongst the team that's in the field people at the office the client there's a whole host of stakeholders that have interest in what's going on and not having that sort of overarching um geospatial information in real time limits the kind of potential to scale this so as I mentioned the that's the kind of evolution of power line inspections over the last several years and I think most operators are in that third stage uh probably a lot in the um fourth stage the BV loss with automation but the next stage really is is remove that human from the field um and these are some examples so this is what power line inspection to us looks like today so the one advantage of power lines is generally over the last 15 to 20 years they've been mapped and monitored or mapped with liar technology so we have all the lighter data for the entire network that we're inspecting the sort of 10,000 Towers I think roughly or 7 and a half thousand kmers in Ireland um that need to be **[19:03]** inspected but you the map you're seeing at or the video you're seeing at the moment is the flight plans that are generated in order to fly these missions so the pilot goes to the location presses takeoff the Drone performs this Mission so the white lines are the flight paths and the red um boxes you see there are the trigger points for each C each image so the Drone flies around the tower so the next step is really to integrate that within um the FlytBase software and enable the pilot to remotely deploy these so the challenge I suppose is is not only it's a geospatial challenge as well the mission planning currently is sort of either inspect um grid missions or uh security patrols but this Advanced Mission planning would be a really huge step forward um for this type of operation where you now enable the operator to control this remotely the docking stations are located or collocated at the substation from from a security point of view they deployed across the lines of that that video on the bottom right is is obviously sped up a little but there is no **[20:06]** human input in terms of the inspection process once we go out in the field so it's all automated to a point the pilot just has to be on site in the case of uh current operations but that's really how it's done today and I'll if you just go to the next page Peter will describe how we see the future oh sorry this is the this is the current so the currently BB loss regulations in Europe anyway IA have predefined risk assessment pdra g03 which enables this low lowlevel uh altitude flying around power lines and critical infrastructure so they're favorable en environments to obtain BV loss approvals they're still within C2 links so the control link but the advantage of the docking stages is they have the C2 controller on board so um multiple docking stations connected across a network you can continue that C2 uh link across with relays across the network um these are in controlled and uncontrolled space there's a lot of flexibility around the regulations so I think those that are operating Europe this is a really useful um pdra or predefined risk **[21:09]** assessment to apply for BB loss approvals um when it comes to power lines and that sort of low altitude close range and again it's the reason the Regulators have done this is your operations are typically really close so they're um close to the asset they're not too far above it so in this case 15 meters so the airspace risk is reduced significantly because obviously you would Implement um Geo fences or as Peter alluded to there the systems they have developed on board the docking station to kill the motor in case of any kind of failure to remove or or not remove you can't really remove risk but to reduce risk um these systems are in place and the regulatory environment is now at a point where it's sort of accommodating and it will become more um it will become more uh advantageous to apply for these permissions and to receive them on a kind a quicker turnaround obviously it's slow at the moment but these will become a lot more standard I think in time so um if you want to jump forward Peter please um and suppose this is the how we foresee the **[22:14]** future of power line inspection so it's a network of strategically placed docking stations all connected and we're working with Peter on this at the trial site where we have multiple docking stations located on site and we're um deploying the Drone from one dock inspecting Towers moving to the next the site obviously is a a small site so it's not the size of a um a power line or a between two substations it's a field based site so there's a whole host of technical challenges that we need to overcome to do this at scale but to do it on a small scale as a proof of concept is really beneficial and um it's of huge interest to utility companies so the idea of bunny hopping connecting docks is the next step I think for for dock stations in general because a lot of the time doc stations are focused around one location and um one particular uh operational environment or geographic location having those connected across a network I know Peter you probably want to jump in here and comment as well so um but that control aspect being controlled from a remote **[23:16]** operation uh operational Center is hugely um there's huge potential in this yeah absolutely it's a very familiar kind of question we get asked now um is okay we' we've done the PC now we want to scale these systems um but the challenge is with pipeline security or conveyor belt um inspection or any linear inspection where you want to use a small aircraft is you don't want it to have to return back to where it took off from um because that um requires probably 10 15 20% of the battery usage to get back to that um docking station um so this bunny hopping solution um where where our our software can along with FlytBase can do a hand hand over um where we can hand over that drone to that docking station and rebind the the Drone to that system enables you to Bunny Hop from dock to Doc um and again with infrastructure we're building out with yourselves around having a central control room um where you can just have multiple monitors that are monitoring missions monitoring the systems **[24:18]** monitoring the data analysis um just makes this um Vision if you like of of um these linear um inspections um reality and I think this project we're we're involved with um you know will soon become the kind of the platform if you like or the the white paper of how this is done um so we're we're really excited to get going on the project oops I think I missed be the one last slide I think Peter is shows the kind of um yeah apologies that one yeah there you go yeah so I guess this is the kind of setup we have for this uh proof of concept we obviously the site location is very specific to the utility company they've provided us with a designated site to do this trial um the remote Operation **[25:19]** Center is our office so you can see an image of the kind of setup we have at multiple screens um delivering different types of imagery whether it's from flight base uh IDI or the data itself or there different um but the operator sitting remotely currently will have the the pilot on site with the doc from a regular point of view but throughout the course of this PC we will remove that uh pilot and completely control it remotely the the air risk as I mentioned um atypical airspace reduces that level of risk for these type of operations and it's the same for all um infrastructure I should say so it's not just power lines this could be applied um across multiple types of applications the ground risk obviously controlled SES so there's a huge host to challenges that's why we didn't say this but from an operational point of view when it comes to docs there's huge kind of operational challenges people need to consider in advance of operating Docks but in this case it's a safe environment the ground risk is reduced uh there isn't um third parties or obviously it's all controlled the Drone control is provided through FlytBase **[26:22]** and IDI um coms is really important you need a high degree of P coms so 4G starlink um we're using the Halo system as well I think they were on this presentation or conference earlier today um multiple docking stations the drones are all compliant with um aasa's regulations so the means of compliance at 2511 and 2512 I think um detection avoid systems so we're going to place a radar on the site and then I don't know Peter if you've alluded to this already but the UTM integration that IDI have in their system so having that awareness of surrounding airspace which is really important um to understand because once you remove uh yourself from the equation when you're operating docs as in remove yourself from the site it becomes it's quite an unusual experience to operate docs remotely without that kind of wider airspace environment knowledge and awareness so I think Peter if you want to um describe what you guys have done within the UTM integration piece yeah absolutely so we've um **[27:23]** we've got a full integration with um with altitude Angel UTM um which is hooked into the do flight based um platform so when the mission is planned or and and the execution of the mission starts it first requests that approval through UTM through ared Angel we'll get a response back um and we can then authorize that flight um done done automatically authorize that flight to continue um if there then is a uh an incursion um we can then receive a detect and avoid message from um our dude Angel where the op operator will then make a decision based on that information so they can hover reduce altitude return to home whatever whatever the decision that needs to be made at that location um we we are probably quite some time away before that's fully automated um we like to leave that decision making for detect and avoid to the operator um because they'll be live on the dashboard and they can see um see the risk and be able to um mitigate as and when um **[28:25]** but not only that and I think it's a familiar question that comes comes about with um with Precision Landing um and how do we mitigate the Precision Landing if it fails um or if there's gpns GPS denied areas or if there is um challenges with Precision Landing so we're developing three layers of precision Landing so we've got the Precision Landing that's Vision based through um FlytBase um we then have um developing Sensor Fusion um so we will have some sensors on the landing platform and the Drone um which can be the second layer redundancy for landing and then the third layer is is dock cameras so we'll have various cameras around the docking station um that can detect the position of the Drone um to ensure it can land safely um so these are all layers of mitigation of risk that we are developing um along with FlytBase and other partners to ensure that we can reduce that reduce that risk as much as **[29:26]** possible right I think okay that was an amazingly informative session you've covered multiple topics including flight safety and I think that is probably probably why we've got so many interesting questions lined up for you from the audience so I'd like to start with one of the questions which says uh doesn't inspecting power lines disrupt the RC GPS and rtk signal range of the Drone how near should the Drone be to the power line no we have um operational procedures in place that limit the distance the Drone can be um from a operational point of view it depends on the size of the Drone so we'll keep certain distances um prior to so in our flight Mission planning the setback distance from the Drone is already embedded within the flight plan so the operator then just needs to ensure that the distance but the interference from an interference point of view yes there's risk to it but if you keep certain distances that are pre-agreed with the utility company so they'll have a standard where as **[30:27]** what they'll decide is as close as they want drones to be and we comply with that and then we build the flight plans around that safety distance so there's always a buffer between where the Drone is and and the power line asset itself and as I mentioned the the missions are all pre-planned based on light our data really accurate lighter data so we can measure that down to the kind of centimeter in terms of the distance from the power line we are depending on the size different 400 KV Towes to 220 to 110 they all have different separation distances obviously they're different um sizes and and Powers but yeah yeah it's a really good question because part also part of the project is is is about reducing that risk with RC signal as well as interference um and as technology improves and as other drone manufacturers um develop new systems there won't be a necessity within docking station to have a remote control a physical controller we could have a network of of um um networ work **[31:28]** um modules across that um linear route so the dock just hand the Drone just hands over to each of them signals um so there's lots of opportunities here and like like Fus said there's the distance is is one thing but also the the advancement technology will will improve that exactly and I think yeah you said it well Peter um that infrastructure that's what's really good about power line operations it's already in place it's generally safe and secure um from utility point of view utilities point of view in in fact when this project started uh the utility company had asked us could we deploy the docking station on the tower but obviously as your as one of the guests mentioned there um from a safety point of view technically you could do it but obviously when you go to land the Drone there's complexities and maybe in the future um mini docks located on Towers but we're not there and but the utility company kind of asked that question too could we actually integrate it on the tower um because for for them then it kind of secures the asset um removes it from the ground where maybe it's at risk from third parties but for now it's it's **[32:32]** kind of a substation um based system so or than Open Fields but right yes I think that answers the question perfectly we have another question which says um how many structures are being inspected along that 7500 kilometers what is the split between distribution and transmission and how many Dock and drones are usually required for this kind of area and that yeah good question I think in the I need to check my figures on the 7 half th000 kilometers I'm not sure the split between distribution I think there's a 12,000 towers and 13,000 Towers I'm not sure which is which but there's about 25,000 Towers in total um and I think the distance between Towers is it varies depending again on the size of the tower but um 200 300 meters between them so yes right right now today in the current kind of operational limitations that requires a huge number of docks which from a cost point of view doesn't really make sense but as the technology develops drones can fly **[33:33]** longer because I think the C2 link on a on a mavic or mavic 3 Enterprise which is in the the IDI Dock at the moment is um is it is it seven 10 kilometers Peter you might know better yeah round about round about with Vis yeah if that was your limit but with the relays built into the towers themselves you can then extend the distance the Drone operates but that's a question that will be answered throughout this kind of of concept we'll get a better understanding number of docks also it's also the entire docking station infrastructure that you traditionally have so charging Cooling and all of the other complexities around a single dock won't necessarily be relevant for this project there could be 10 15 docking stations which are just hubs so it just goes and charges or swaps a battery and off it goes again it doesn't necessarily need all of that complexity um involved in a current system um so it wouldn't be 150 times the the the docking station that you would traditionally buy **[34:35]** or or install onto that system it could be one and then eight to 10 hubs where it's landing and just bouncing off the network um so there's lots of scope for this and and um this project I guess is going to um you know write write the um kind of the the standards that that the we would have and I think from from a utility point of view um the advantage of this is that you have sort of that 27 247 um oversight of the network So currently they'll have inspection Cycles on depending on the utility company could be one year could be five years but obviously the dream scenario would be to have 247 eyes over their Network deploy the Drone whenever they need it whether that's for third party intrusion or whether it's for post storm damage which obviously the huge in our part of the world um dealing with um storms or dealing with the Damage Done by them after the fact having drones available to go and do that they do it manually today but it's quite cumbersome and complicated but **[35:36]** um yeah to to have that sort of oversight 247 on demand service is is a huge step forward for for their use case right yes I think that answers the question pretty well so we're kind of running out of time so I'm going to take a one last question uh the question is for IDI it says what is the operational temperature range for I deploy station the user says that I'm from Norway and recently we saw demo PC from another dock however the issue was that the as the snow got deposited over the docking station it wasn't able to open the enclosure so is this something that your dog caters to or you've thought about how to tackle with this yeah it's a really good question over the last five years well three years we've been deploying these systems we've deployed them in really really hot climates and really really cold ones um and we we assumed or are we are well yeah we assumed these hot countries would be our biggest challenge but actually calling the docks is really easy um managing them in in in snowfall is **[36:42]** really really challenging um there's two two things that you need to do um in these locations one is raise them off the ground um that is fundamentally um the the answer for these our type of docking station where you've got the roof opening up system becomes a real challenge because you have all of that weight of the snow on top of the on top of the docking station where we've got the draw open platform um we don't have that issue um so raising it off the ground and having a draw open docking station has been a better solution in these um High snowfall environments um we have various heating elements in climate control of our system so there's two redundancies for for heating ing so we have the normal traditional heater cooler system if that fails or if that doesn't cool or heat the system up enough we then have a second heater that will will kick in but it's a really fine balance because the drone's LiPo battery doesn't like to be too hot um so we've got to make sure **[37:44]** that we balance that really really finely um and there isn't a complete answer to that yet we're still in them prove the concept phases in them environments um but happy to take an individual call with that customer customer just to kind of assist in any way we can right I think yes so if you guys have any other question for forgus of Peter uh you can drop them uh at their booths so uh you can go to the Expo section and check the ID and go airspace booths and you can talk to them or maybe if you want you can connect with them over LinkedIn and ask whatever questions you have so that's about it from today's session it was amazing guys uh good response all of you great questions and uh we also have recently launched the NestGen Community uh the link has been put in the chat which you can join it's like invite only Community for all the Drone nerds and enthusiasts so you can fill the form and uh join the waight list and thank you for this session and you can carry forward to the next session as well so thank **[38:47]** you guys thank you so much everyone thanks everyone