# Internet of Autonomous Drones

- Event: NestGen ’24
- Published: April 12, 2024
- Length: 47:11
- Watch: https://nestgen.org/library/watch/R6uW0sK09V4/

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## About this session

Dive into the world of autonomous drones with industry leaders in this NextGen webinar. Discover how cellular connectivity is revolutionizing drone operations, explore current challenges, and uncover exciting use cases. Gain insights into the future of drone technology and its impact on various industries. Don't miss this opportunity to learn from experts about the transformative potential of autonomous drones.

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## Transcript

**[0:16]** 1 2 welcome everyone I'm Mr Kovach the moderator of the internet of autonomous drone section here at NextGen and uh before I welcome the speakers I would like to have a little bit of information section about the house roles of this webinar uh please uh I would like to inform all the attendees the webinar is recorded and it will be available for online viewing soon in next uh seven days there is also a Q&A

**[1:19]** session on the right of your screen where you can ask questions H during this webinar session from the speakers and myself and I would like to share uh and um welcome our speakers uh but before that of course our sponsors as well DJ and sunflower lab who sponsored this online conference thank you so much a big thumbs up for them and of course thank you so much for H by to organizing and uh holding the whole webinar in uh in her hands and making this event happen so first I would like to welcome from capil mital who is the co-founder and CEO at Ericson Dr Mobility capil feel free free to introduce yourself thank you eser and thank you it's wonderful although it's a Saturday but looks like it's a house full so my name is k I'm the co-founder and CEO of ericon

**[2:21]** drone Mobility it's a cutting as technology that leverages uh intelligence from Telecom networks to make the Enterprise fly drones fly safe and secure in Beyond Vision Line of site and we'll talk about this during our discussion today thank you thank you so much H and the next speaker is Hans similon who is a general manager at City smash safety drone please hands hello also from my side so welcome and thank you uh fight base and eser organized this a great webinar uh my name is Al Simon I'm general manager with cityes Citys is a Belgium Telecom company and we also invested in our own drone Network we're deploying as we speak 70 dibs drones in a box all over the country they will be connected to the First Responders and they will be controlled from five remote Operation Center by 40 pilots and we're doing that as we speak with the Nokia 5G controlled

**[3:25]** drone fantastic and next Yan Pon who is the head of of advanced iot and drones at Talia company H I think you're are muted um we couldn't hear you so uh we try it again thank you very much for having me um and and and hi to everyone my name is Yan Pon and I'm head of the advanced I and drones at T company division next in incubator uh for Innovation program at tiia and tiia campany we are a leading Swedish multinational telecommunication firm that operates not only in Sweden where we have the headquarter and where I am based but also across uh the Nordic and uh the Baltic regions so up in the north of of Europe so that includes not only Sweden but Finland Norway Estonia Latvia and

**[4:32]** Lithuania and uh we invest a lot of course in in 5G um tiia have mobile network belongs to to to the top five of the highest ranked mobile network in the world but except of investing in Mobile 5G mobile networks uh we also have identified uh the airspace as a potential growth area for for for us so uh we have run an in Innovation program jointly together with ericon of course and and uh a few other relevant and important Partners in the ecosystem and I will tell you more about uh our our experiences uh later in this meeting thank you thank you Jan and the next is parot kab who is a director of Internet of things and eend Enterprise please par thank you eser um it's delighted to

**[5:35]** be here to be part of this esteemed panel um myself I'm promode Kip um I'm a director at uh aend Enterprise which is a digital Services Company part of Ean Group which is first while Salat and as part of our value proposition we provide Cloud iot cyber security and so on so I belong to the iot Division and uh in that IO drones are part of the solution portfolio through which we provide services to government uh Enterprises and so on uh in UAE fantastic thank you so much so I think the topic of uh utilizing cellular connectivity for BOS drone flights are there years now you know we could all agree on that and I was just wondering during this last couple of years how do you see are we there already is cellular connectivity utilized today for bivo drone flight and

**[6:39]** how this enables autonomy and um maybe Hans if you would like to start with this um question and the experience of your of your uh you know daily work in in the last couple of years about this uh question yeah actually at the moment we are are controlling the drones over 5G uh 5G uh giving extra security over the control but also over the streams it has low latency uh there is also the possib possibility sorry of slicing and uh connected to the private 5G and we also use the 5G to insert the Telemetry data of the Drone in the UTM platform that we use so at the moment I can say that uh it's thanks to the 5G uh modules uh in our Nokia drones we have actually two 5G modems so we can end four SIM cards but we have a total solution that can be controlled from anywhere at

**[7:40]** any time that's fantastic and I know Hans you have a lot of interesting projects just maybe if you can mention one you know where you utilize those capabilities as of today in Belgium uh and U maybe uh if you could please elaborate on yes so at the moment moment we're deploying these 70 drones in a box for the First Responders and all these 70 drones are connected to the 5G I think at the moment we have 25 active uh that are permanent standby and that can be used by the First Responders uh in Belgian fantastic so Yan if I if I come to this topic of uh using 5G for cellular well using SG uh and cellular connectivity for bous drone flights is it the reality of today already and do you think uh this is already a revenue generation model and uh drives to full autonomy what's your experience as of today you know at

**[8:44]** Talia so uh well uh we um there's a lot of things going on especially around uh uh blue light and the police uh they have more relaxed uh regulations of of course but they have already start to use uh uh both in Norway and Sweden thrown in a box services for surveillance and first responder uh use cases and we are now about to to connect them not to 5G but to 4G so uh that that is where we are we have um a lot of uh we have provided together with Ericson um uh 5D capability uh for uh for autonomous vehicles uh autom Automotive to start with we have built corridors in the country for automotive industry uh that can be used uh U the next

**[9:44]** coming year also uh for for for drone services so there is a lot of things going on but uh we have not used 5G for for those cases yet Fant fantastic and a couple Yana mentioned you know you work together the two companies uh on this uh initiatives to enable 5G um so I I wanted to ask you about how cellular connectivity enables autonomous drone operations how do you see and um what Ericson does today to enable those operations in a digital airspace thank sir I think it's important to understand the pain points that the current um organizations who fly drones face for example when you fly Beyond Vilan of site a critical element is how do you mitigate the ground risk of not flying over heads of people uh how do you know in real time that there's a school happening or

**[10:47]** there are people uh maybe a rally is happening but that information is not really available but Telecom networks have that so we were able to leverage that realtime intelligence and relate to flying drones and flights so drone can choose automatically to fly and not to fly in areas of congested areas and that's a critical element which helps the organizations who are giving permits to enable permits as well and that's possible working along with yon in taia to Showcase that there are possibilities happening another important element which will lead to the autonomy of drones is um uh is a very good concern on security how do you ensure that the drones are not hacked because currently everybody's using GPS locations uh how do you ensure that the drones are not spoed you might be flying drone but somebody might have hacked it I think that's another element that when we worked with tiia and yon we were able to use uh mobile networks as a secondary

**[11:52]** source of validation so then you know that the Drone is in that area and not somewhere else so some of these CR iCal elements are there and like Yan said it's not only 5G it's also available in 4G of course 5G gives an additional benefit of better latency and better bandwidth but it's already available in the networks today so some of these aspects we've been able to show and this is not dependent on a single technology if fexon can do it others can do it it's also about showing that capability to the industry that's what we've been able to do with the tiia and some other operators fantastic and PR is the skies full with drones in Dubai or what is going on in the Middle East and um personally I just came back from the Middle East and I was very surprised how Forward Thinking are the authorities there so do they utilize cellular connectivity and what's your experience within the Middle East right I think uh you rightly mentioned it Esther we are truly blessed to

**[12:59]** be in this particular part of the world which is where the the authorities themselves are extremely techsavvy about adopting technology so in that way it is extremely uh it makes our lives easier as well because it's it you just have to align to the vision of the authorities in terms of bringing up about Innovation and providing technology uh in terms of uh adoption of drone yes uh there are a lot of uh use cases and commercial use cases wherein drones have been employed uh in in different uh verticals in different use cases uh but when it comes to BV loss and adopting cellular itself we are still in the nent stage we are getting there uh in addition I mean to to actually to make that happen there are certain regulations that are being put in place after which I see that there may be a a plora of use cases uh using cellular and and BB laws that's going to show up very soon uh but I

**[14:03]** think there are certain uh checks and uh regulations that has to be put in place after which we see a explosion of such use cases especially with with Sol technology thank you so much and hence is cellular connectivity is the unlocker for a fully autonomous you know uh operation how do you see that or is it an enabler only or or connectivity is a must H do you think in the future in your you know opinion and the other question how far are do we have fully autonomous assistant today or how far we are from that what do you I think it I think indeed it's a must without good connectivity and and I I I follow my colleagues in the panel it's not only on 5G but also on 4G you you've got some advantages on the 5G and as the 5G is available you take the 5G if if not you take you take the 4G but connectivity is a must the

**[15:03]** problem with the fully autonomous drones is not the capabilities it's the legislation it's not allowed today to do it fully autonomous so you need indeed a human and what better way to communicate with the Drone O then over 5G or 5G 4G so I think at the moment it's a must it's critical because then you are sure that you have a good communication with your drone and the human the pilot who is remotely operating the Drone controlling the Drone just on a legal uh perspective just to be sure that you're in in line with the legislation and later on it will be the quick uh connection between the Drone and any system you have uh using AI or other technology to control the Drone if the legis station is uh there but in both cases you cannot do it without good connectivity and for me sorry to to say that but good con it is only 4G or 5G you cannot do it via Wi-Fi it's it's too spoofy it's too

**[16:05]** hackable um you're using 5G 4G you're using SIM cards using private APNs and then vpns on top of that so making sure that is triple secured I think that's the only solution and the only way forward and I think this is a very interesting topic because you know that one of the hottest question how can we make sure the data collected by the Drone is uh protected you know and privacy is respected so Yan what is your view on this data security and privacy I know you have a lot of great example from other iot Solutions and examples I'm sure you know um but uh if you can bring up some example maybe from Automotive or other and maybe you can also share your experience on security within the Drone well well I will not try to become U uh um to I mean security is very complex as such but what what what we can

**[17:09]** see is that going from from Vos uh missions where you can you need to to see the Drone when you you fly it remote too autonomous H using slicing uh for for capturing data um at the moment uh the Drone operators they often use uh they they upload the data from the payload sensor data to to the the SD card and uh there is a lot of of hassle around this but if you can use a slice uh and then you can uh all the data uh large amount of data can be uploaded on the slice right to the backbone of the customer own site that is really what we need to to go after and to to explain explain and educate our customers

**[18:11]** that want to use drones to become to make their operation the process is more productive because the first question they ask this is really a nice tool but is it secure so I think that is really important and 5G or 4G and slicing capabilities is really something that we need as an industry to educate our customers around and and pramod do you also receive those questions you know in the Middle East is it secure and do you receive those questions about slicing is it same at your side absolutely absolutely I mean um needless to say there are a lot of uh security meas measures that are there when it comes to drone use cases I'm sure Hans and Yan also would Echo that when it comes to using drones by uh TLS protocols or using the vpns and so on and also an additional level of security can also be

**[19:14]** provided by by cellular as well wherein you are providing private APNs so that it doesn't really break out to the internet and then you are having a network of your own which is highly secure and the High secure machine to machine Sims with private APN provides that additional secure security layer in order to you know the to Al the concerns of different uh security uh concerns that are there capil you know the tricky question okay autonomous drones are coming via cellular network but you know they need to be integrated to already existing infrastructure so what do you see what are the challenges today to integrate those drone operations to already existing infrastructure you know autonomously um and have all communicate you know uh all this all the you know um

**[20:17]** machines or or control centers or users uh depends who shares data you know we believe that if this industry the overall drone industry and I'm talking about the consumer drones I'm talking about more the Enterprise drones and I'm not talking about the military drones either but focusing on Enterprise drone that's for the commercial Market is we believe that this Market to thrive a critical element which is missing today is uh uh the emergence of those drone manufacturers who have 4G or 5G chipset integrated into the Drone so as a makeshift or as an interim solution what we see in the system or in the industry here is the a lot of um modules which can be hooked on top of a drone which would even have 4G 5G or even a satellite back hall uh but those are good enough currently to track the drones however if we have to really make sure that you are able to maneuver uh the behavior

**[21:18]** of a drone in Flight it's important to have those drones with 5G or 4G capability inbuilt and those Dres are not there much uh and they're not standardized recently Sky did come up with a 5G integrated drone and I understand DJI may also be in the process in the road map I think that's a critical element uh which is missing today and unless that happens it will be very difficult to fully leverage the capabilities of talom operations into flights of drones so I think that's something as a collaboration I know you will discuss about collaboration as well as going forward but that is an element which is super important to get going and Hans I I know you already you know have a lot of use cases in Belgium and you fly frequently what do you see regarding this infrastructure uh challenges or or how to integrate um you know maybe to Enterprise infrastructures autonomous drones or or do you also see the same problem in the manufacturing side you mentioned you use the

**[22:19]** Nokia drones um and and maybe share your experience on that hands please yes what what we see today is that that uh sometimes we can we have enough from the private uh uh from the public network saying so we use the public 5G 4G network but we always try to combine it with the private Network that the client sometimes has and then when combining it with the private network of the client you can also uh use the rest of his network if they already have a network of sensors eot uh devices out there you can integrate it with the Drone and you can program the Drone that whenever a sensor gives an alarm the Drone automatically goes to the Intruder alarm and gives a visual to the security agent that are real time cases happening today uh we're doing with uh with uh with with the Nokia drone and with some of our parks that we're doing in Belgium that's besides the uh First Responders for the First Responders the 5G is really critical uh because indeed uh it's al already mentioned

**[23:25]** before by y I think uh at least the slicing part is really important on the 5G because in guys in case of a fire department or a police department Whenever there is an incident there is a lot of people on the ground and the first thing everybody's going to do is to take their mobile and going to film the incident and stream movies photos of the incident and then it's very hard using the public network without slicing to get the live images through the control room so and there we see the big advant Vantage of the 5G where we can slice and provide a different slice or the private Network so some big events in Belgium we set up a private 5G Network just to ensure that the Drone has enough capacity to stream high quality video to the control room where then the police and the fire department are witnessing the live images and to decide on the next actions to

**[24:26]** take I see an n uh maybe Yan about this uh integrating autonomous vehicles uh to the already existing infrastruct um is there any challenges you know um maybe not on sell side but Enterprise side when you serve your clients you know um what do you see uh what are the current open questions well there are a lot of questions um um I think from there have been a lot of surveys asking citizens uh on the ground if they're can accept drones in the air above their heads that's that's one thing what they say is well we we we can absolutely we support if there are drones for that from the blue light so for the police Etc in the cities that is really relevant and if that can improve the safety

**[25:27]** in the city is that is that could be really uh valuable so coming back to these uh uh this these the infrastructure to support these services for example drwn in the boxes that can uh uh be used from a command and control center go after for example uh uh number plates on cars follow of these Etc they need the the secure infrastructure uh um of course with all these Network capabilities that we can that we can provide but it's not all not not only about technology it's also about education because I think that is where everything start we need to educate each other in the full ecosystem about the the the possibilities and what the seller can can can provide what regulations

**[26:27]** the demand and requires Etc so there is a complex uh complex environment and uh is not uh is not only about technology that's for sure that is my experience yes I cannot agree more and coming to my favorite topic you know with that in mind a prom mode I think um it's important we not only talk to our own self you know about our yourself you know so I think it's open uh we need to open the discussion um towards the different stakeholders government layers you know so what's your experience in Dubai uh how do you see uh how sers can work together to unlock this Innovation and what do you think what the future is about regarding talking maybe with users cities you know um inhabitants of the city

**[27:28]** and and uh maybe transport officers and and infrastructure governmental stakeholders so how do you see how these stakeholders can work or must work together on this sure so I think um I think the I it's a no-brainer that definitely it's an ecosystem play that has to be uh come that should come together in order to actually make such a solution successful uh especially considering there are so many uh obscurity that are there uh say for deploying a solution I think one of the biggest challenges that also we looked at was in addition to the technology limitations you also have the regulatory challenges as well because there are no standards and there are no interoperability kind of a mechanism in place for example now when we look at deploying a BB loss solution we are looking at having sharing the airspace with a manned aircraft from a truck management of a aircraft from the from the ATM side so

**[28:31]** there is a there is a good amount of work to be done wherein that handshake has to be properly in place between the aircraft traffic management and the the Drone uh traffic management as well in addition to that of course yes the public acceptance because we do have scenarios wherein when we are actually there is a there is a use case that a builder wants to uh uh wants to deploy but you have a resistance coming from the tenants of that particular space for that particular area because they are not really comfortable having a drone H around uh H around the towers so the public acceptance also is extremely key as well uh having said that there are certain isolated uh regulate isolated agencies I would say the government agencies that are actually doing good amount of work and conducting uh uh proof of Concepts on trials and so on using drone um for example the the traffic authorities they have actually conducted drone trials for uh Manning the traffic uh Junction in order to actually

**[29:35]** look at the intensity of traffic or any condition condition that is there so that corrective action can be taken and also you have the authorities who are law enforcement authorities that are actually having information from the incident management system and then looking at how can I deploy a drone and send it to the insurance uh from from a from from their IMS uh send the Drone have the uh location details sent to a drone and the Drone takes off to that location and it has cameras as payload and it gives information to the to the to the to the back end IMS system so uh definitely there is a lot of activity that's happening and there is a convergence that that that are that is happening in in Dubai and UAE as well wherein the government actually is uh coming together to see what are the different uh uh uh measures that they should take in order to uh in order to increase the use case and increase the deployment of drone use cases in the

**[30:44]** country yes fantastic thank you um so hence I am wondering back to autonomy so we have those use cases First Responders you know traffic con uh conjunctions a check and um currently uh I think more and more operations part of the operations data sharing and others can be done autonomously right so is it something uh which enables to the discussion with regulators and or how they think about you know this autonomous operations is it something which helps or a regulator still also need to be educated about about you know those questions um has any experience on this in Belgium yeah yes I I I think we we're working closely with The Regulators in Belgium but also in Europe and we're creating new spaces for possible where we uh have geom

**[31:45]** manager and and UTM platform uh combining all these information I think the problem with fully autonomous drones is not the drone on such it's the human people the moment you take out the human out of the equation we're very afraid if you look about the discussion about autonomous cars at a certain point they asked the question you're in a situation as a car and you should kill or you can kill a child or an older Elder woman who are you going to kill now I did my exam only once but I never had a question like that so the moment we as a human give the control over to the computer we're going to ask a lot of questions that we don't ask if a human is doing that that makes it very complex so I think in general it's very hard to do something fully autonomically uh but the the technology is there and uh like Pro promot promot sorry promot is saying uh we we have the integration already

**[32:46]** automatically so the moment an incident appears with the fire department the coordinates are sent to the Drone the Drone takes off after a pilot just checks the weather and the traffic that's the only thing he does and then he says take off and the Drone flies to the incident automatically taking into account now fly zones of course and then as drone is at the incident the uh the pilot is going to control the camera but that's the only thing the pilot is doing at the moment he's there to oversee the situation and if needed he will intervene but on such it's it's really automatic already fantastic so I think uh what you're saying and I love this you know this technology Ena a human to be smarter and make smarter decisions and ease up the job of the human that's how autonomy works capil yeah capil what's your thought on

**[33:47]** it you know I agree with Hans you know all this talk about autonomy is about working smartly and I'll give you two examples from industry which which you've seen one is you a favorite of everybody which is inspection so a lot of Industries are using inspection using drones and many of them at the back end are connecting it to creating of digital twins for example using our technology uh we've been flying drones from our experts in Sweden while the Drone is actually flown in UK in in Port of time and even cellular towers as soon as the Drone is able to capture uh the images in real time experts who are sitting in the remote Center maybe 100 or 200 kilom 500 kilom away they're able to pinpoint to the areas which could be problematic which a normal eye cannot see at the same time the data is fed into uh the digital twin generation systems so in just one go the life data is fed into digital pins and that's how the smart technology is made up another use C that

**[34:51]** you've seen in Scandinavia and even in US is uh you know this even which is forest fires and I think that's where what Hans said about uh autonomy in terms of drones drone in a box are also being utilized in many countries where by click off a button if there is a incident which is happening drones can fly over and come back to the same docking station so there are examples of autonomy being given to the Drone ecosystem where the human becomes a smart element uh and I think that's where the cellular technologies will scale these use cas further thank you cap yeah I think you know people loved When you mention that we talked about you know good examples from other Industries you know I see here in the chat and um you know this autonomy how does it work with other Industries you know I know you have a broader job than only drones you are responsible the whole iot so

**[35:53]** this is why I'm asking um this question you and also so maybe promoe after like is it something which in other Industries we could learn from them as I mentioned before and you know they are two step further um to enable those Innovations within the iot space and what can what can be mention maybe I I I just see people love those examples uh here in the chat this is why I'm bringing it up no so so to answer that question I think uh with 5G 5G is built for autonomous vehicles whether it is drones robots cars so that is really the beauty of 5G right capil and uh and uh of course from an iot perspective or Telco perspective for us if tiia we are after more business so FIA is to provide we call it advanced iot

**[36:56]** S for for autonomous vehicles and robots in that sense we we normally traditional SIM cards we sell iot SIM cards to machine to machine but Advanced iot Sims that's something new because that kind of SIM cards that we use for drones always need to provide connectivity whether it is in urban areas or rural areas wherever to connect to satellites uh or room to to other uh Telco operators so that is where I think the business is for a Telco if the regulations is not in place in our markets uh um to to allow be Los uh missions then I'm very uh then this business will not Happ happen and that is of course very

**[37:59]** important that we have a close collaboration with the authorities and educate them about what mobile networks we have one of the five best Mo in the world so we spend a lot of time in this ecosystem to train them about what assets we have and how this can provide safety flying drones autonomous and we also really want uh this new market this new industry where Aviation and Telco meet each other to take off and that means that we can we can start to fly uh autonomous in rural areas where you don't have that much ground risk and that could be to take away risk for people instead of people you use these kind of tools to to capture data to train the data by Ai and to really

**[39:02]** make a lodge to subcontractors Etc in real time so there are so many uh use cases that we can already uh start uh and then in the cities in the urban areas of course the police but they have as I said before more relaxed regulations to improve this safety in the cities uh so with that I I stop there but there's a lot around this and I think it's super important to collaborate in the ecosystem with all these uh uh very skilled people uh and and and discuss and learn from each other to to to explore and to to to to take off this new uh these new opportunities fantastic I cannot agree more I think now we are creating uh this uh business for

**[40:04]** everyone to be honest you know involved so we need to kind of collaborate and create it first and after we can Harvest you know together on on the success um so uh pron creating you know those ecosystem um how about this Dubai Police use case you know via the Internet it's everywhere Dubai Police utilizing drones you know daily basis and um they are very open about it um and uh can you share some examples or some uh some news about about those yeah right so I think the different use cases that are there uh in UAE are very much in the public domain uh from uh using drones to uh to plant the seed seeds for the Gaff trees just Gaff Gaff tree is actually the national tree of UAE so drones were used to uh seed around around uh I don't know 1

**[41:06]** million seeds across the different thing ACR different areas at a faster Pace uh one of the one of the use case interesting use case was with adnoc which is basically the national oil company that as part of the sustainability effort they took up a initiative to seed uh uh 2.5 million mangroves okay uh in in in UA as well uh Dubai Police of course yes in order to see how do we regulate the traffic con uh how do we actually look at the traffic uh pileup that has happened in certain busy traffic Junctions and I also mentioned about earlier the possibility of uh sending a message about a particular location from The Incident Management Center to a drone so that actually takes off and then provides information back to the IMs the live feeds from the from the accident sites um so these are all different interesting use cases that are there and uh I think another area uh that actually uh

**[42:08]** is often missed is about the because you talked about the iot and the implication of iot to drone as well so the location is something extremely uh important and it has to be precise as well because in the normal GPS scenario there is always an error there's an aberration in terms of the location itself so what Telos are actually doing now is to look at how do we address this gnss correction by employing precise location services as well and then extension of that is to be used on the Drone because you are getting the correct exact subcentimeter accuracy for the location against uh 2.53 meters inaccuracy which is there from the GPS as well so there are different technologies that are there uh and also wherein in order to address the risk assessment wherein when the BB loss is deployed and you have a delivery that has to be done to a particular location how does the provider ensure that the root

**[43:11]** plan that he has done for the Drone is actually going in a way that has a good network coverage because the the Drone has to be ensured that it is TR traversing a path that has a good network coverage as well so Telos actually can provide that information because they get complete information about this particular path what is the network coverage there so they can assign the network path properly to the provider so that they can address uh the the the use cases more effectively you know uh PR I could go on this topic and you know um you know the other interesting part that cop mentioned is this grant risk what also is a super hot topic which Telos can provide information about right so unfortunately we have one minute left so this maybe for a future discussion time flies you know when you spend well so maybe we can go around and everyone could have one takeaway really

**[44:17]** one sentence about this topic internet of autonomy um and maybe h a a takeaway to the AI or a sumary of the webinar um please I think that connectivity is key uh it's not the future it's happening right now and we need to work together in the ecosystem to convince the legislation to also set the next step that can be a small step for the legislation but a big step for the Drone industry fastic C I think it's already happening across the world I mean if you look at UK where we based uh The Regulators have tried to embrace the use of mobile technology for command and control uh we do understand Esa in Europe is also thinking very uh intensely on that and so is FAA so I think we've seen this positive movement happening towards uh enabling this technology which is a good news so I think what I can share with the audience is uh uh the roie picture that we've been painting is

**[45:21]** really becoming a reality in near future that's what I think my takeaway is thank you Jan please so very short I think there is really exciting times ahead uh we have all the Drone uh the Drone Technique we have the mobile networks to fly the drones autonomous and we have a lot of customers in the public uh sector and private customer that really are Front Runners and have have already started to use drones for Vos missions and they are now uh into boss and to to tral and to to to to train and educate thems how to take advantage of this uh exciting areas so with that thank you very much for having me fantastic promot please

**[46:23]** yeah so I kind of echo uh all that other panelists have said over here uh I believe the future is very bright um I think we are on the cusp of the Tipping Point is there in order to uh to start adopting uh different interesting use cases on the autonomous uh drones fantastic thank you so much for everyone and again for the event Partners DJI and sunflower labs and also always for the organizers of the next gen webinar um I think they really did a lot of effort to make this um event happen and um with that closing this webinar and um and thank you so much